Wednesday, January 06, 2010

Shouldn't the 3 Idiots have been certified 'A'?

I write this from the perspective of a mother of a six year old. Who came upto me yesterday and asked me, mamma, what is balatkaar? I had no reply. It was not something I wanted to explain to him. Not yet. I'm still hoping he will stay safe knowing to differentiate between good touch and bad touch and hoping he never needs to experience bad touch.
Lets take the film from the very beginning. We see Madhavan pretending to have a heart attack to have a flight return back to the airport, in order to follow a trail leading to Aamir Khan's character, Rancho. The story then goes into a flash back to the engineering college days, where Madhavan, Sharman Joshi and Aamir Khan studied together. My next painful scene was the ragging scene. A whole lot of regular guys, totally unbuff, in their undies can be a bit grating on the eyes. But what was really painful was the scene where Aamir Khan rigs up a device to electrocute a senior pissing on his door. Many male members of the audience winced collectively at the scene. Luckily the brat was too young to figure that out. Then came the scene of Joy Alvares committing suicide. Just a moment ago the boy was strumming a guitar and singing. The next shot shows him hanging from a ceiling fan. Some scenes later, Sharman's character attempts suicide by jumping from the 3rd floor. The brat is wondering what makes them want to kill themselves. The pressure of studies. This is not something that mamma wants him to think about right now. This is not something that he needs to associate studying with. Suicide is not a nice thing. Once is enough. Twice is too much in the span of a single movie. Yes, there is violence in the superhero movies he watches. But this has affected him deeply. In the superhero movies he understands the violence is fake. Playacting. In this, he knows it is based on reality. It scares me. I dont want him to be thinking that suicide is the easy way out. If you dont score in your examinations, you have the option of hanging from a fan or jumping from a window and ending it all. I agree, some of the films out there with UA certification have much more violence than is seen in this movie. But these suicides (one an attempted suicide) are disturbing. Especially the brat asking me, if that was Raju's blood from his head on Aamir Khan and Madhavan's tshirt.
And I forget Chatur's speech. The one that introduced the word Balatkaar into the brat's vocabulary. And follow this up with the childbirth scene. With animated diagrams of the baby in the womb being suctioned out. With a modified vacuum cleaner. Which leads the brat to taking out the nozzle of the vacuum cleaner once we reach home and trying to stick in inside my top to bring d baby oud. And me explaining that to begin with I need to have a baby in my stomach before the baby can be brought out with or without the vacuum cleaner. I think there is time for biology classes yet. I dont want to get graphic about where the baby comes out from. I'm still queasy about it myself.

In all fairness, the film has a UA certification. (Vidhu Vinod Chopra Productions' Rajkumar Hirani directed, '3 Idiots', has been rated as a social and granted a UA Censor Certificate (C.C. No. CIL/2/164/2009) by the Central Board of Film Certification (CBFC).This does mean that parental guidance is advised for children. Therefore, I do think it was my job as a parent to check this movie out before I let my child see it. I did not do my job. Therefore it is pointless to state the film should not let minors in. I was given the option of noting it had a U/A certification and decide whether or not to drag the brat along to watch it.
(Edited to add: This is the kind of rating system we should have here in India as well.
MPAA movie ratings are:
G- General Audiences (1968-present)
All ages admitted
PG- Parental Guidance Suggested (1972-present)
Some material may not be suitable for children
PG-13- Parents Strongly Cautioned (1984-present)
Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13
R- Restricted (1968-present)
Under 17 requires accompanying parent or adult guardian
NC-17- No One 17 and Under Admitted (1992-present)
)
What has exacerbated the debate is the fact that cases of children committing suicide have been on the upsurge over the past week or so. A child has committed suicide in school. A 12 year old went into school and hung himself. My intestines twist at the thought. It might not be the movie. But the coincidence seems too strong to ignore.
The film might be a good laugh, with a message pushed in about not following the system, and learning for the sake of an education and not just for marks, the cheesiness might be a tad overdone but we accept it in good faith and laugh at the Silencer moments of odious farting in good spirit. But I still maintain the childbirth scene, the suicides and the electrocution scenes should come with statutory warnings. Close your kids eyes for the next five minutes. And yes, close his ears for the balatkaar speech. What the hell. I would have been better leaving him at home. There's time for him to figure out balatkaar.

27 opinions:

2 B's mommy said...

Exactly my thoughts. My 8 year old daughter asked me what was 'balaatkar' while watching that speech. I told her that its 'rape' and hoped that she wouldn't ask me what that was. Same with childbirth scene...watching it with the 8yr old daughter and 12yr old son wasn't too comfortable. I am just too grateful that they didn't ask any questions then !
Lastly, when we went to dinner the other day at a friend's place and she asked my daughter how was '3 idiots', I was surprised when she said ," it was ok aunty, too many guys in their underwear though" !
And she also asked me why Raju jumped from the third floor :(
I didn't know that it had U/A certification either...but agree, it should have had 'A' certificate.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the warning! I was planning to take my six-year old for the movie this weekend, but now I'll definitely give it a miss.

R's Mom said...

I agree Kiran...I dont think its a movie I would want to watch with my child unless the child is 15 and above....Some scenes were really disturbing...but I think its affecting us all the more because we know its the reality of the system..Guess...we really need to take a call on whether to take our kids for such movies or not...Its so confusing at times....!

starry eyed said...

You have a point K. The whole rating (and enforcement thereof) system is not done properly in India.

But these words are blaring out at our kids from everywhere, even if you don't take them for should've-been-A-movies. We censor the papers nowadays, but our daughter is still found reading them and asked us "what is rape" during the Shiney case. We can't close their eyes n ears everywhere. I could shut out every source of scary words and images, but she'll hear it in school or the school bus or see something on the road.

We can try to censor and protect as far as possible (I do, we don't even have a TV), but when the questions are asked, I just feel DAMN lucky she's asking ME and not some stupid friend and has a chance to start learning age-appropriately and accurately abt that and to get my take on the whole thing before she picks up the wrong attitudes and ideas. I've heard little kids bandying abt real scary words, how d'you protect your kid from that?

If I feel the topic is beyond her, I just tell her I will explain it when she's a little older (and follow it up as soon as possible). If it's something 'normal' like childbirth, I start the dialogue immediately. And if it's childbirth depicted stupidly like it seems to have been in 3 Idiots (I haven't seen it), then I just make sure she starts understanding the real truths.
Went thru' the same dilemma for Salaam Namaste, here's the link

http://starsinmeyes.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/nothing-in-particular/

And here's some stuff abt talking truths with kids http://starsinmeyes.wordpress.com/2009/10/03/talking-truths-with-kids/

Sorry for the long comment and multiple links, just something i think about a lot :)

ChoxBox said...

Kiran, I take the safe route. Dont show Bollywood movies to my kids at all.

starry eyed said...

Oh, and thanks for the warnings! Will wait for the DVD then, and watch it after the kids snooze :)

starry eyed said...

@Chox: My kids don't watch TV, but pick up a lot of stuff from school and friends abt the trash on TV. And the scary thing is I don't know what they're talking there since they may or mayn't come tell me about it! What I'm saying is that when other parents aren't censoring THEIR kids and what they're hearing and seeing, does it spill over to our kids?

Ok, I'm going, I'm commenting too much!

Anonymous said...

Kiran, IMNSHO, most new Hindi movies are not suitable for the under-13 crowd (or under-13s as we were - today's under-13s seem more sophisticated).

I haven't seen 3 idiots (don't plan to as Aamir gives me the heebies!) but my husband, brother and sundry cousins tell me that the ragging scenes are actually on the milder side - they all went through similar stuff in college - both Engineering and medical.

M

Uttara said...

Was rated 12A in London! Pity they don't take ratings seriously in the country of origin.

ChoxBox said...

@starry: what they hear at school is not in your control. in fact its a good thing if they hear it and then come and discuss it with you. but if you actually take them to a movie that is not at all appropriate (sadly true of most crap that Bollywood dishes out) then the message you are giving is very different don't you think?

p.s.: sorry if i sound offensive but these things take my blood straight to boiling point.

Anonymous said...

The film was rated U/A which means not suitable for kids under 12. That said, I did take my kids (both under 12) to the movie. My fault completely. What I find surprising is that most people that had watched the movie before us, told us that it was okay to take young kids to it! I wouldn't recommend the movie to anyone with young kids.

I don't think it needed to be rated A. Around 12-13, most kids know the concept of childbirth, "balatkar", suicide and ragging. If they don't, parents need to talk to them about them. These things exist in reality, are all over the newspapers, 24-hour TV channels and while I want to protect my kids forever, I have accepted them that I can't.

Sorry for the long comment...

Veena

Elizabeth said...

I just loved the movie. My 18 month old son was left in the care of his grandmother when we went to the theatre. But your post does make me wonder how I would have dealt with his innocent queries if he was older and had been to see the movie. It had quite a few disturbing scenes, which are surely not meant for young viewers.

starry eyed said...

@Chox: Not at all offensive! I wouldn't take my kids to a movie or expose them to any media in fact that is inappropriate. K's point about movie rating is bang on. and avoiding Bollywood altogether is also a smart idea! It makes my blood boil too.

My point was that kids could pick up inappropriate stuff, no matter how we try to control it. If they do, and ask us about it (hopefully!), then we just have to deal with it, even if we think it's too early for that particular subject. The reality is, like Veena said, it's everywhere, and you can't protect kids 100%.

e.g. 8-yr olds in my building (my daughter's playmates) were caught watching porn last year. One wrote the F word all over the building basement...she giggled at it. Luckily I don't allow her to hang out with that crowd, but what if? And she sees violence all the time on the streets, tho' she's never seen it on TV or in the movies. So, i have to help her deal with it anyhow, right?

ChoxBox said...

@starry: the worst thing you can do to your kid is try to protect them. i'd think you'd achieve exactly the opposite by not telling them about these things (the ones that Veena mentions) and you are actually exposing them to the dangers by doing so. remember my post about the rape word?

my points:
1. what age is 'appropriate'? 5? 6? 12?
that is a call a parent needs to take.

2. in any case surely bollywood is not the only (and most appropriate) way to teach them these things.

AA_Mom said...

Totally agree! Those 10 Min were embarassing to be watching the movie with my nieces and nephews on either side

Anonymous said...

i once took my five year old to see hulk - never once imagining it could be anything other than a U. turns out it was U/A - and completely unsuitable for my little fellow. now i always check, and never take the little fellow to anything other than a U movie. chandani chowk to china being another case in point. completely unsuitable for little people.

- maya

karmickids said...

2B's mom: I think we need a relook at our certification system. U, U/A and A are just not enough to classify films. And yes, this is not to wash my hands off my responsibility as a parent to check beforehand whether the movie has age appropriate content for my child. It was totally my fault.


Anon: :)

R's Mom: While the movie has a strong message against the 'system' which pushes kids to suicide, the message will be got only by adults, not by kids who might not be able to conclude that this is NOT the way out.

Starry Eyed:I agree. Sit with the news on. Sit with the newspapers, there is gory stuff everywhere. One cannot be censoring the child's exposure to what happens in the world every single minute. What one can hope to do, is hope and pray that the child comes to you for information and give them an age appropriate explanation.

S: Balatkaar was a fun speech in an all adult audience. But with kids??? I now have all the tots in my building complex flinging balatkaar around in regular speech...

Veena: Agree. It was my bad having taken him to see it. But, like you, I had asked folks who had seen it and received rave reviews and not a single person said it was inappropriate for a young child, knowing I planned to take the brat for it, primarily because he loved the song. This is a lesson to me to pay more attention to the ratings the next time.

Elizabeth: Yes, it is a movie that really doesnt warrant an under 12 audience.

Chox: While I do agree that most Bollywood films do have inappropriate content (cmon all the 70s films had leering villian raping a hapless gaon ki gori), I wouldnt blanket ban Bollywood for the brat. Because they are highly entertaining. Because he enjoys the song and dance and drama and action. I try however to choose films which I know will be relatively clear of sticky plot situations that would need major explanations. (Recent films the brat has watched include Ajab Prem Ki Ghazab Kahani and Avataar, earlier movies he has seen include Om Shanti Om, Taare Zameen Par for instance). Bollywood is all around us, we cannot hope to keep our kids away from it. What we can do is monitor it. Here is where I personally think I failed. I should have had the sense to understand that U/A would be unsuitable for my child. The brat watches action movies, he has learnt to understand the concept of illness and death and injury through movies. Of love and romance (albeit too early for my liking). I guess as parents we have to take a call on what we are comfortable exposing our child to, and ensuring that we place information to them in an age appropriate manner.

AA_Mom: I'm not really embarassed actually. I just felt it was too much information for an under 0 year old.

karmickids said...

Maya: This happened to me with The Dark Knight. I thought Batman film, meant for kids, blah blah blah...when the picture started we were blown off our tracks. Of course, the kid refused to budge and had to see half the film in his fathers lap face turned to the other side.

Anonymous said...

I had taken my 12 year old daughter n 14 year old neice to the movie... they enjoyed the movie and did not look disturbed or have any questions on suicide or childbirth...i think they watch much more violence on news channels every day :(

But both felt Azab prem ki gazab kahani was far better movie than 3 idiots :)

ChoxBox said...

All true K, except the bits about Bollywood ;)

Rohini said...

True. Additionally, international sites that review kids movies also tend to mention recommended age. So you would even be able to judge whether a particular movie would be better for a 6 -year old as opposed to a 3-4 year old. I also send to watch all the YouTube clips I can find of a movie before taking the brat for it

Haddock said...

Changing the certificate will not help.
I think they are exposed to more violence and inhuman behaviour in our TV serials.
I have seen parents encouraging kids to use the net, not realising that one click and it will take them to some unpleasant site !! Just like some one commented above, "8 year old were found watching porn"

karmickids said...

Anon: Ajab was more slapstick than 3 idiots and definitely more age appropriate for children.

Chox: *hugs*

Rohini: You sensible girl you! i just go by word of mouth.

Haddock: True. But that just means as parents we have to be more careful about what our children are watching on television.

deepa said...

You don't need a certificate to decide whether to take your child or not. Wait till the reviews come out or ask friends who've watched before you and don't take the brat if any description worries you in the least.

karmickids said...

Anon: True. I'm all for not cocooning the child, but there has to be some limit.

Deepa: Well, I did ask my friends as I mentioned. Not one said it was inappropriate for a child.

Anonymous said...

The movie is a U/A

karmickids said...

Anon: Yes, as I have mentioned in the post, I am aware it is U/A.